Talk:§Otagame§, Great Phantom Insect/@comment-24506549-20160927161634/@comment-9693174-20160930152023

But I do back down when my opponent's points are solid enough. If I think my point still stands after the arguement, I just won't. Provided I have been acting egotistically towards people including you, which I apologize about, but some of my points still stand in this arguement I find.

My main mindset about that was that Fire of Nature guves yourself damage which leads to you being more prone to offensive things against Piru, while Vermil can give you an extra LC when needed without getting hurt in ener all that much, provided you'd almost never use it. Then I realized people just deal with 4 Ener grow cost with Fire of Nature then deal with it, and the extra LC might not help a lot and doesn't have anything to do with ARTS this was my bad.

World Cups had 12 Piruluks, and 8 Hanayos, most of which were apparently Elements. That's about the only thing I can give atm.

1. Fair. Replied to point above

2. Elements is viable in the meta. Against Piru, Malachite can deal with APEX after you kill their ener to cockblock ARTS, and otherwise they can kill things easilly from turn 4 with easilly setup Double Crush. Hanayo is not the top 1 deck, which is Piru for obvious reasons, but defenitely at least in the same tier as Yuzuki.

Eh, let's just leave herakabuto alone for now. There's no reason to anyways since either way no one's ever gonna use her anymore

Fair enough, and I am trying to fix at least the ego (I like to think this is working but w/e).